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    03/29/2009

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    There are a lot of people in South LA, both with and without health problems, that are dependent on others (ie the government) to take care of them. I don't think that the answer is providing more services, but in providing a better education so that people can care for themselves.

    As far as the wheelchair issue...I don't know. That's an issue in lots of places, especially poor areas, and no bus agency does well with it. Do we spend a lot of money to provide extra service for a very few or use that money for more people? It's a tough question. I don't know the answer, but I'd be against making service cuts on more popular lines just to reroute buses to Watts/Willowbrook.

    Everyone is dependent on the gov't taking care of them. AIG, the automakers, the banks, the rich people who are getting irs breaks because someone who was obviously a crook stole their money.

    I would agree education is important in regards to health, but there are virtually no options out there. I have never eaten fastfood more in my life as the time I have worked in South LA and you know why I ate junk food, because I was hungry and nothing else was there and I was hungry and the salads were rotten. Education only goes so far as the amount of true choices you actually have.

    If I didn't live some where else I'd be forced to eat junk food if I didn't want to spend the time to go to the grocery store and pick through a bunch of rotten produce.

    The 51 is standing room only for most of the journey, so I'm thinking a few extra busses would be a good thing. The 51 and I think it's the 53 are very popular routes.

    I think more money for public transit in the places that have hospitals nearby would be a good policy especially in low income areas.

    Browne

    No, everyone is not dependent upon the government to take care of them. Most people have jobs that allow them to take care of themselves. But some people have no job, no health insurance, no car, etc. No way to feed or house themselves without government assistance.

    Mexican/Hispanic vendors and stores in South LA have fruit and vegetables. They even push them around on carts. I've never eaten it, but I see that it's there. But I agree that healthy food is few and far between, but why is that? Could it be that given the choice that many/most residents of South LA choose fast food? That would be my guess.

    I agree with your last statement. You should bring it up with Metro or the BRU.

    Why do people always assume people will choose the shitty choice if given a choice. Back before fast food existed in a major way people ate at home. And they were fine.

    I don't know what part of South LA you're talking about, but I don't see any Latino vendors when I am waiting for the bus. I saw them in Los Feliz, don't see them in South LA, not saying they don't exist. I'm in a particular part of South LA that is pretty much a wasteland. Lots of boarded up buildings, lots of real estate for rent and for sell.

    Are we really going to compare two economically oppressed groups, like there is so much of a difference, because that's a little ridiculous. That you are going to act like everything is peaches in cream in the other communities who also have large portions economically oppressed people. If I took income as a sole factor I would bet Latino, African-American, Asian-American and white people all look pretty similar. They probably all have high rates of heart disease, disabetes, at an unhealthful weight, lack health insurance or have insufficent health insurance, and they probably lack mobility.

    http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/7815
    http://iccnetwork.org/cancerfacts/ICC-CFS6.pdf

    If you look at those numbers poor ends up looking exactly the same regardless of color.

    Black and brown people are pretty much equally unhealthy. I bring up African-American here, because that's who I notice on the bus, because in my general life I've never seen black people be so big and now when I hear these studies (and the jokes) I know who they are talking about. It was like my first experience with Indian-Americans (from India) was going to school with them and playing with them, I never did get the 7-11 jokes, but then when I finally went to 7-11 in LA, I was like in my head, "ohhhh..."

    I realize people are ignorant and people of color pretty much get stereotyped by people's first impression of them, so since most people are in this very segregated environment they meet this particular type of person of a certain ethnicty and they assume everyone of that ethnicity is like that.
    Not that I haven't seen a big black person, but it was like, "oh that person is a bigger person." On the bus everyone is big and I'm small at least among the adults.

    The fact is many people who are economically disadvantaged their food choices are based on economics. This isn't because they aren't educated or don't care, choices come with money and opportunity.

    Browne

    Shawn,
    Were it not for government subsidy there would be no Freeway system, little air travel and quite a bit more missing. Were those people with jobs that you argue are not dependent on the government forced to pay full price for the "amenities" such as roads, fuel and relatively cheap air travel, the uproar would be horrendous. They are no less dependent than the extreme ends of the benefactors, from AIG and Chrysler to the poor who get less than pennies in respect to the billions doled out under the table and in public to those who used gov't subsidies to shore up their wealth.

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