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11/07/2008

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Wow, that's quite a story.

I despise the way police and authorities in general crack down on citizens using cameras.

For the cause of security, authorities want to install cameras on every street corner and just about anywhere they can, but if a citizen shoots video near a subway they're rousted out. Every cop car already has a camera in it for the officer's protection against wrongful charges, the same protection should belong to everyone.

Luckily for me, I'm white and preppy so when I take pictures near trains, I just get off with a warning ... for not breaking the law and observing my rights.

wow.
You gotta be freaking kidding me man.
honestly and seriously where do these so called public servants get off on?

I bet if you had some donuts this whole thing would of not happened.
Unfortunately I got 2 officers in my extended family- one is with the sheriffs and another is a city cop, both in California but i wont say exactly where.
It really is about being on a "power trip" for control, they do it because they can and want to. period.

BAD COP= NO DONUT

thanks for sharing and keep up the fight.

WTF!!!??
Everybody I know is getting arrested under bogus charges lately.

Hello LA. First off, I thank the LAPD and LASD for doing what they do. If you break the slightest law, yes, these officers have every right to detain you for investigation. So, why are you pissed off if you had to be arrested for even a $107 warrant? That's your fault for not taking care of the citation that turned into a warrant you moron! How often do you travel? Dont the officers and TSA personnel at the airports dig through your luggage, baggage, personnal crap at any time. YES! This is due to post 911 you moron. So, yes, the airports and even train/subway systems are a terrorist threat. Why dont you go to the park and video tape your family enjoying the day as opposed to losing sleep all night and seeing where our tax dollars go. Go plant a tree and when it grows nice and tall . . . hug it! Get a life and allow these officers to do what they will have to do when that call comes in as oppsed to what you think they should do! -Jane

While BusTard didn't mention this, that warrant is a warrant we are still trying to figure out. It wasn't like something he forgot about, it was something he honestly did not know existed. We think it's a paper work error from a time he was excercising his first ammendment rights at another time.

And it's not against the law to take pictures on public property.
Browne

Jane,
I am a former cop from a capitol city, and lemme tell you: the reason I elected to stop protecting the rights of idiots was because I could not arrest jerks for the crime of idiocy.
You should count yourself fortunate that I chose such an alternate path lest you and your kind be imprisoned as well as legally barred from breeding.

Dude, you did NOT tell these guys to shut up did you? They have guns and their word bets yours in court typically.

Dayum. That $106 in bail is a small price to pay for not getting the tasered and further abused.

I get worried about BusTard, but I will tell you Ubrayj it's not illegal to tell a cop to shut up, it can go wrong, but it's not illegal.

And I think that's the issue in society. In society cops are perfectly fine when you are being subservient, but it's not suppose to be that way. You don't have to be "nice" to cops. Not being nice doesn't give them the right to arrest you.

And say you were involved in criminal behavior even at that point there are certain things they can and can not do.

Yes I understand on the reality level what are best ideas in regards to dealing with cops in real life, because they don't do what they are supposed to do, but in ideal life, within the law even if you're a dick it's not right for them to attempt to be judge and jury. They are job is to enforce the law that is it, they aren't allowed to have ego trips.

I of course would never test this theory out, becaue I would probably still be in jail.
Browne

Thanks, Ubrayj02. The last time I was pummeled by police (hit twice with rubber batons aka rubber bullets) in 2000 at the DNC2K. (Got a few grand out of that, which I did not expect and nearly five years after the fact while still in Brooklyn.) Physical violence—unless it results in my death—will only serve to feed my desire for justice.
In any case, I simply cannot accept two mentally questionable morons—armed or not—deciding they are going to abuse the colour of their authority, and then insult me from a self-righteous position.

First off lets start with Jane (editor's edit, I think you meant Jane.) You are a massive AssClown! I love it when dipshits like you trot out 9/11. Like one tragic event voids the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

First let’s start with something really basic. With almost no exception, a person can photograph or video record anything in a public space. I cannot speak to California, but only 21 states have a stop and identify law on the books. In other states the police must have “reasonable” suspicion that you have or are committing a criminal act. As we know from above photographing or video taping is NOT a crime. So what “reasonable” suspicion did the officer have? None, but that never stops the police. Police feel compelled to hassle anyone with a camera these days.

What is hilarious about the paranoia surrounding photo reconnaissance by terrorist is that it has never been shown to be in their “play book”. According to the 9/11 commission, none of the terrorists did any photo reconnaissance. Likewise, for the Madrid bombers, and London bombers. In fact even the IRA during their 20 plus year bombing campaign almost never employed photographic reconnaissance. So despite what you see in the movies, it’s not a something terrorists do in “real life”.

But hey, lets just for laughs, assume that they did. Would the trampling of our constitution and bill of rights be worthwhile to mitigate the potential terrorist threat? I don’t think so! Just take a good look at the odds. Here is what the CDC says (lifetime odds):

1 in 88,000 of a terrorist attack
1 in 1,500,00 of a terrorist-caused shopping mall disaster assuming one such incident a week and you shop two hours a week.
1 in 55,000,000 in a terrorist-caused plane disaster assuming one such incident a month and you fly once a month.

By comparison:

1 in 55,928 of death by lightening
1 in 20,605 in your clothes igniting
1 in 10,455 of dying in your bathtub
1 in 10,010 by falling from a ladder or scaffolding
1 in 9,396 due to excessive heat
1 in 8,389 due to excessive cold
1 in 7,972 in a drowning accident
1 in 6,842 in a railway accident.

Tell you what: I would not willing to give up my liberty or freedom to avoid getting struck by lighting, I am sure as hell not willing to give it on the 9/11 (terrorist card). Sadly, there seem to be a lot of hand ringing, fear obsessed, freedom hating, assclowns like you that are willing to turn their backs on the values that make this country great in exchange for the “illusion” of safety


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